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This is the third page of background information and the nearly 100 messages posted regarding consumer experiences with a company called the International Library of Photography.
Posted by Briana Craner (220.127.116.11) on January 20, 2004 at 22:38:06:
In Reply to: The International Library of Photography posted by Tracy Miner on December 07, 2003 at 13:05:11:
My son also was published in that book, for some reason they did something wrong and yes we do need to follow up on that, cause i also payed my money to get the book, but I looked up the book, and the book has a totally different name, which is named "A journey into the imagination" I cannot say for sure that that is the the same book yours was published in but that was the one mine was and I am outraged, the name is wrong and the publishing date is wrong... write back
Posted by Connor Wallace (18.104.22.168) on January 21, 2004 at 09:22:02:
In Reply to: The International Library of Photography posted by Tracy Miner on December 07, 2003 at 13:05:11:
Thank God for the Internet :)
Posted by Connor (22.214.171.124) on January 22, 2004 at 11:46:59:
I've been doing more research. As well as everyone else, I was selected as a semi-finalist, I had my check in the envelop and before I sent it i came on here and saw your posts...im glad I havent sent the money. You who are in this with me should check out these interesting sites I found....some stories have made it into the news...
if you guys need someone else to talk with...ill check the forums again...
Posted by Connor (126.96.36.199) on January 22, 2004 at 11:56:35:
its me again...for all of you interesting in participating in REAL photography contests...go to: www.asmpny.org or www.pdnonline.com I found these contests in PDN magazine (the best photography mag. out there) good luck!
Posted by Sandy Miller (188.8.131.52) on January 22, 2004 at 17:05:36:
Well, I guess I was scammed. I realize that you merely pay money to get your photo in print. Actually, that is FINE with me! Having my one and only child--I could care less. HOWEVER, after paying the money...having a "scheduled release date" of 1/31/03...and now I'm writing this on 1/22/04 with NO BOOK? I am not happy at all. And, I went to online bookstores and entered the so-called ISBN of 0-7951-5202--nothing but technical manuals? This just isn't right, especially when you're willing to pay just for "fluff"--yup, I'm a jerk.
Posted by Sandy Miller (184.108.40.206) on January 22, 2004 at 17:12:58:
I am so upset with this company, too! I had a scheduled release date of 1/31/03 for "A Journey Into the Imagination" ...HELLO? I'm a jerk who's still waiting and it's 1/22/04. I was willing to pay for the "fluff" of having a picture in print for a price...just send me the damn book, at least!
Posted by Joe Ballano (220.127.116.11) on January 23, 2004 at 17:15:34:
In Reply to: Re: The International Library of Photography posted by Sharon on December 28, 2003 at 15:59:18:
Hello Sharon, I too posted a photo to thease people and am concerned about copyright issues. I was wondering if you have gotten any information about this. If they use my photo, I want to get paid! Thanks in advance!
Posted by mary ellen stinson (18.104.22.168) on January 25, 2004 at 18:27:55:
:i sent in a picture of a sunset i took at the hospital where i work. i sent it in and i sent in the money to have it published in a book and i paid for the book and the article and the title was sunset over mercy. when does the book come out.
Posted by mbiven (22.214.171.124) on January 28, 2004 at 06:35:01:
I'm sure glad I checked out this site - I too was getting ready to write the check for the book. My picture is awesome and I am so sorry that I submitted it to a scam company.
Posted by charlotte (126.96.36.199) on January 28, 2004 at 16:37:02:
I also had a picture supposedly to appear in a book this past fall. I haven't received the book but they have received the money for it. I hope one day they will send it on to me. If not, count me as a sucker!
Posted by Connor Wallace (188.8.131.52) on January 30, 2004 at 12:16:50:
In Reply to: Re: The International Library of Photography posted by mary ellen stinson on January 25, 2004 at 18:27:55:
"sometime this summer" , but i doubt you'll ever see it.
Posted by Helwells (184.108.40.206) on January 31, 2004 at 14:59:29:
In Reply to: The International Library of Photography posted by Sharon on December 28, 2003 at 15:59:18:
I would appreciate it if you could let me know if my pic "At the Orchid Fair" did actually appear in Images of the Mind. I had read very negative comments in a few articles about the International Library of Photography, so did not order the book. I notice now that they say it was to be published in an anthology at the end of 2003. I wonder if this is their practice -- to reuse photos in additional editions without authorization to use it in other future editions.
Posted by Jennifer (220.127.116.11) on February 02, 2004 at 18:30:32:
I am really courious how to contact these people. I am not impressed with any of the service. I as well as everyone else sent a check, that was cash-STILL NO BOOK. I am angry and if anyone knows how to get in contact please let me know. Thank you.
Posted by Mimi (18.104.22.168) on February 03, 2004 at 09:52:15:
In Reply to: The International Library of Photography posted by charlotte on January 28, 2004 at 16:37:02:
I just rec'd the invite, geez, I thought i was a good photographer! i assume it's a scam? did you pay by visa? you can dispute. good luck
Posted by lynette (22.214.171.124) on February 05, 2004 at 03:39:55:
I just received my letter telling me I am a semifinalist..but when i looked on the site..it was my name, but not the picture I took..It was the title of my picture..I was looking for a way to contact them and I came across this site Thank god I didn't send money yet.. Thanks guys
Posted by Barbara (126.96.36.199) on February 05, 2004 at 12:14:57:
Here's what happened to me. I entered the contest and saw my picture was there. Came back to site a couple days later and picture was now not there, so, I re-entered my picture, it was there for about a day and a half then it was gone AGAIN. So, silly me, I re-enter it again. As you can guess, it's not there anymore and now the deadline has gone bye and I gave up. After reading all these postings I'm feeling very uncomfortable about these people. Something isn't right about all this and I hate seeing everyone who has lost money with this. These people need to be reported to the Web police. Not sure how to do that but good luck to anyone who does.
Posted by Lori (188.8.131.52) on February 05, 2004 at 14:10:40:
I just got something in the mail about a picture I sent in months ago and looked the company up on the better business bureau of MD website and it made picture.com sound ok. I don't know...I'm going to hold off for now. Here is the bbb page. Just type in picture.com and it's in Owings Mills, MD. It gives phone #'s and stuff. better business bureau
Posted by Pat (184.108.40.206) on February 05, 2004 at 15:22:42:
Has anyone gone to the Better Business Bureau about this company?
Posted by Aida Krgin (220.127.116.11) on February 05, 2004 at 15:40:42:
These jokers give an e-mail address that is also a fake. email@example.com
Posted by RG (18.104.22.168) on February 06, 2004 at 11:19:25:
I also received this letter and there was a phone # at the bottom... 411-363-4800. I called them they sound as honest as any good scam would sound ... that is not to say they are a scam... I'm still checking....
Posted by Russ (22.214.171.124) on February 06, 2004 at 11:23:00:
In Reply to: The International Library of Photography posted by Lori on February 05, 2004 at 14:10:40:
Additional Telephone Numbers (410) 356-2000 and (410) 356-2001. Additional Addresses 3600 Crondall Lane Suite 101, Owings Mills, MD 21117.
Posted by Russ (126.96.36.199) on February 06, 2004 at 11:43:39:
In Reply to message posted by Pat on February 05, 2004 at 15:22:42:
I just did (contact the Better Business Bureau) after calling the company. they are in good standing... I cannot imagine how after reading these threads?
Posted by Amanda (188.8.131.52) on February 07, 2004 at 10:10:09:
I did this a few years ago. I actually did get a book in the mail, but I don't remember how long it took for me to get it.
And now.. several years later, I just got a letter in the mail that says I won an award (photographer of the year I think) and am invited to a conference of some type to speak in front of "distinguished photographers from around the world." ....yeah.. i'm sure.
Posted by Michelle P. (184.108.40.206) on February 08, 2004 at 15:10:22:
i recieved a letter in the mail yesterday saying that i was a semi-finalist and the book that will be published in summer 2004 would contain my picture. the working title is "Endless Journeys". my cousin was excited for me and researched, she said it is a fraud, they tear pages out of books and put your picture in, there in no place called the international library of photography and you will never see the book in bookstores. they will continuislly sell your image though, without you even knowing. i'm warning you, do not send money in for this, its a scam. when i found this out all my dreams of photography went away so dont enter this!
Posted by Kelly (220.127.116.11) on February 09, 2004 at 04:24:13:
I sent in a check back in April for this book and never got it yet EITHER and its been since April. I was told if I paid now I would get it before it went out in stores. Novemberish was when I was supposed to get it. Though I called borders in my area and they never get any such book or heard of this place. SO I am really angry and I would like their number if anyones got it. The one I call no one ever answers it Im on hold forever. I am really frustrated and if I dont get it theres a group here in the area that will get your money back....email me any time
Posted by Kelly (18.104.22.168) on February 09, 2004 at 04:42:58:
Ive called those numbers never got a rep, I could never find another number for them. Also no book store has heard of them and their book. I sent ina check in April which my husband is investigating since he works with the bank. I was supposed to have gotten my book in Nov before it went out in Jan 25th. I have my first born in there and I was so excited to get the book. Its funn how all these postings I read all of them BUT one person got their book. Let me re phrase that no one got their book but one person. What is going on????!!!!!! If anyone has any idea let me know cause other wise I am using Combat of Maine to get $ back.
Posted by Gail Florence (22.214.171.124) on February 09, 2004 at 16:55:48:
I too have awaited feedback for the photo I submitted. What is the deal here.
Posted by Michele (126.96.36.199) on February 09, 2004 at 19:45:21:
You should get in touch with the attorney general in your state for the fraud divisoin. Explain to them what is going on and they will ask you to file a complaint against the company. That type of company also does the same thing with poetry. The reason you don't find it in bookstores is it is considered a vanity press and bookstores do not carry those books. Don't be surprised if they contact you later stating you may win money but you have to cough up money to go to there convention to receive your prize that you may or may not receive. "BEWARE of these". I also have learned the hard way...
Posted by Michele U (188.8.131.52) on February 09, 2004 at 19:48:22:
Also becareful of sending a check because it has your information on it and they can do electronic fund transfers so be sure to check your statement for any charges you don't reconize.
Posted by Michele (184.108.40.206) on February 09, 2004 at 19:51:13:
I hate to say but if they are members of the BBB, the bbb won't do anything about it. Also, they could have a lot of complaints but it may not show up. But you could also do a dispute resolution with the BBB.
Posted by Kelly (220.127.116.11) on February 10, 2004 at 03:03:47:
I just wanted to let you all know. I am not sure what they have for help in your areas but I know here where I live its called Combat. No matter how much money you lost or if something broke and the company wont replace it type of deal they get it back for you. I made a call and today Ive got to tell her the amount lost she sends them a letter if they dont respond she sends more of a nasty letter and shes really good at getting what she wants too. I pay 10$ a year for this service and its not something that costs an arm and a leg. But I will ask my husband who works for the bank we have our checks with to keep an eye out. I told her it looks so legit and unfooling. I wanted that book so bad cause it had pics of my son I wanted to show everyone. Well I notice someone mentioned they got a notice to go to a convention in DC to explain their picture etc. I got one today. How messed up is that.
Posted by Tim Matijasick (18.104.22.168) on February 11, 2004 at 16:49:43:
Has anyone asked them not to publish their photograph? I would like to know the response this has met.
Posted by Jamie (22.214.171.124) on February 12, 2004 at 14:56:21:
I entered this contest and unfortunately, I entered a picture that was not mine. I entered the wrong picture by accident. Does anyone know what I can do? I think its a total scam too, and I regret this whole thing.
Posted by Holly (126.96.36.199) on February 12, 2004 at 19:39:17:
I had paid my money for a book in january 2003, it was supposed to be published in june 2003 - no book came in november after many attempts (phone calls and e-mails) i could not get a hold of anyone. i filed a complaint with the BBB of maryland. Just received a refund check today for the full amount. If anyone wants a refund, that seems the easiest and fastest way to get one.
Posted by Keyna (188.8.131.52) on February 12, 2004 at 22:59:45:
I've received everything they claimed to do!
Posted by Vicki Bowman (184.108.40.206) on February 13, 2004 at 06:25:12:
We received the semi-finalist notification but didn't send money because of all the comments we read. We also received the conference solicitation. The contact number for the organization is (410) 363-4800. We did find one of the previous books on Amazon.com but can't locate any in local bookstores. We called to get details on the convention but they won't give any unless you pay first--that's a big red flag in my book. Picture.com is a member of the Better Business Bureua and is in good standing; but they don't mention that they also are known as International Society of Photographers and International Library of Photographers--another big red flag. I hope this helps...and I encourage you to call that number AND file your complaint with the Better Business Bureau: http://www.baltimore.bbb.org/, click on Company Reports and search the national database for picture.com. Maryland Better Business Bureau
Posted by Rebecca Ambrose (220.127.116.11) on February 13, 2004 at 17:04:22:
My photo is also supposed to be published in Endless Journeys...and I sent in my money...this is kinda scary that everyone is saying it's a fraud...
Posted by brittany (18.104.22.168) on February 13, 2004 at 20:18:34:
Ok people this is such a scam.. I've talked to alot of other people from other sites, and they have the same problem. report this site to http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp and www.fraud.org
Its going to take us all to stop them.
Posted by John McCann (22.214.171.124) on February 13, 2004 at 21:51:54:
Lucky for me I did not send in the money although I was tempted when I heard a picture of my son was to be published in a coffee table book back in 2003.
I truly am sorry to all those who have lost money on these scam artists. However in my search through all these posts... I keep seeing phone numbers that I guess these people are giving you as there "contact" info.
I did a look up of the registration of the URL www.Picture.com and came up with this info... which has 2 phone numbers that nobody else seems to have. As well as an email address.
Circa Press, Inc (PICTURE-DOM)
3600 Crondall Lane
Owings Mills, MD 21117 US
Domain Name: PICTURE.COM
Jones, Mark (MJ3491) mjones@CIRCAPRESS.COM
3600 CRONDALL LN
OWINGS MILLS, MD 21117-2233 US
410.356.2000 fax: 410.356.9931
Jones, Mark (27999889I) mjones@CIRCAPRESS.COM
3600 Crondall Lane
Owings Mills, MD 21117 US
(410) 356-2000 fax: (410) 356-9931
It is also stressing to me to see that nobody seems to know what to do... so instead of persuing this crime, they are leaving it up to the next guy in line. So what I did was come up with a website that is run by the FBI that specializes in receiving complaints about internet fraud.
If you have been ripped off please visit the following URL: http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
This is a government run site and they WILL investigate your claims. If we all put our claims in... maybe we can get some where. Joint lawsuit anyone? Feel free to contact me if you need any help with anything, or have any questions.
John McCann firstname.lastname@example.org If you email me... please put the term "JOHN JOHN JOHN JOHN" in the subject. I know that seems really strange, but if I dont see your email as being any different than my many spam emails I get per day... than I will delete by accident. I hope you all get what you need from this! John McCann
Posted by wmillhollon (126.96.36.199) on February 14, 2004 at 10:08:38:
Well, I too received the news about my photo. I also have received an invite to attend their conference in April. Unless I attend the conference ($595), I can not get my awards. It appears that the chance to win $10,000 is not a true contest. You have to attend the conference, submit your photo and participate in another contest. If you win both you get $10K. I will not be attending. Has anyone else received this letter? http://www.picture.com/convention/
Posted by StarWolf (188.8.131.52) on February 14, 2004 at 11:07:49:
I also have had no problems with them. I have even managed to get one of their books from barnes and noble.com.
Posted by Emily (184.108.40.206) on February 14, 2004 at 20:38:02:
In Reply to: Fighting Back against The International Library of Photography posted by John McCann on February 13, 2004 at 21:51:54:
I wondered how truthful all ILP's claim were. Judging from these postings, not very. Does anyone know if Snapfish.com is involved or connected in anyway? The only reason I ever heard of Picture.com was thru a pop-up contest ad thru Snapfish. I did enter a photo for the contest, but thankfully had sense enough to question the whole licensing/publication pitch.
Posted by John McCann (220.127.116.11) on February 15, 2004 at 13:11:16:
I found another website... run by the same scammers... I am willing to wager they rip these people off as well.
http://www.poetry.com/contest/rules.asp?Suite= They call themselves the "International Library Of Poetry"
The phone number is the same... the address is falsified. This is bigger than just the Photos. See my other post (above) for information on reporting these people!
Posted by Jerry Platz (18.104.22.168) on February 15, 2004 at 15:09:17:
The impression I get from the postings in this forum is that the people posting these messages are tyro amateur photographers looking for instant gratification. Did you people ever hear of the expression 'LEAD TIME'? Magazines and books require a certain period to set up their publishing schedules and, I'm sure, the International Library of Photography is no different.
Each photo contest runs for 3 months. It takes at least another month to judge the photos, another 3 months to design and lay out the design and another month to print the books. Average total time from when you sent in your photo to when COULD be published is 8 months and it can be longer if publishing problems occur (re the complaints about publishing dates being changed). Then comes the distribution process. The International Library of Photography states VERY clearly, 4 to 6 weeks delivery. You can wait upto a year before you receive your book. This is not a ploy by The International Library of Photography to scam you, IT IS THE NORMAL PUBLISHING PRACTICE.
The International Library of Photography clearly states that the proposed title for the book your photograph will be printed in will be a WORKING TITLE and possibly not the final title of the book. So the book title was changed. So what? Does that make you photo any less an accomplishment?
People, quit your whining and find out how the photo publishing business operates. Grow up! Submit photos to a few other publications and see what occurs. I'm sure you'll find many of your complaints about The International Library of Photography are immature and petty. By submitting photographs to other publications you might learn something about the process of becoming a published photographer.
These are just my opinions - I have no affiliation with the International Library of Photography.
Posted by Robin West (22.214.171.124) on February 12, 2004 at 16:51:00:
Hi, Well, I guess I'm one of those born every minute. I bought into the Library of Photography. I bought 2 books. I just received a letter today (2/12/04) saying that I have been selected to receive "The Outstanding Achievement in Amateur Photography Award for 2004."
Now, here's the catch......I have to PAY $595.00 to go their convention from April 2-4. On top of that, I am expected to pay for my own transportation.
Personally, I think if I actually won the award, wouldn't they get me there themselves? AND, wouldn't they pay for the hotel? I quite honestly, didn't know how to take this letter. If anyone else received one, please post.
Posted by Maria Rosario C. cap (126.96.36.199) on February 12, 2004 at 17:16:52:
Well, I received an offer for the book w/ my picture in it. I even typed in the wrong title, "Early Morning Sunset (?)" and I corrected it. But I never got a response. I then just received a letter stating that I won Outstanding Achievemnet in Amateur Photography, 2004. I didn't know what to make of it.
I agree they let you pay for the convention (but, the trophy $200 + the digital camera $300 combined is $500. So are we paying for our awards instead? Is this a scam?
Posted by Ken Layton (188.8.131.52) on February 12, 2004 at 23:30:58:
Yes, it's a scam. You should never have to pay for something you've "won".
Posted by Shari Buchholz (184.108.40.206) on February 13, 2004 at 06:23:30:
It really stinks. In order to receive your prizes and recognition you have to attend the conference and there is nothing in the rules that states this. The thing that bothers me is you have no way of contacting Picture.com regarding this.
Posted by Rebecca Ambrose (220.127.116.11) on February 13, 2004 at 16:56:14:
Yeah, i got one of those letters too...lol...it's a bunch of bs.
Posted by Bryan (18.104.22.168) on February 13, 2004 at 19:34:02:
I got the same information as everyone else. I haven't sent them any money for anything. I am so glad I didn't. They should be shut down if it is a scam.
Posted by AricW (22.214.171.124) on February 16, 2004 at 17:19:08:
I too am a semi-finalist and have been invited to the symposium. I have written emails to three of the photographers listed as speakers. One had been kind enough to respond that he has twice declined their invitation and was suprised to hear that his participation is listed in the convention brochure. Apparently it is the second attempt at a convention. I have yet to call the hotel directly to see if there is a scheduled ISP convention, how many rooms have been blocked, and if they have a schedule for conferrence room reservations that includes them.
Read between the lines of the letter: EVERY photographer that attend will receive the lovely "silver" bowl. "45 photographers will share..." does not mean only 45 photographers are competing. 45 is the total number of monetary awards they are presenting.
I will also call the ISP numbers listed and play dumb..."will I really have to talk in front of a room full of people?", "how will I be able to print the pictures I take on the weekend camera?", etc.
Too bad this is all beginning to look so sour.
If you would like to see the photographer's email response to me please reply directly to me by email. Please use "ISP Scam" in the subject so I'll know not to delete you. email@example.com
Posted by Post (126.96.36.199) on February 17, 2004 at 10:00:49:
I've been reading through these posts and am pretty surprised! In the meantime while you are waiting to hear back from "The International Library of Photography" you could post your concerns at www.thecomplaintstation.com .There are some posts already there about this company. I think it is a great resource to share your opinion!
Posted by Carol Aldinger (188.8.131.52) on February 17, 2004 at 14:51:48:
I too received the "Invitation" to buy the coffee table book containing my photo. I didn't bite. A week ago I received a "Congratulations - you have been nominated .............." etc etc and a come on to attend a confrence in WashDC this spring. Judging by all the precedding negative notes, I am wondering how many others have received this same email and should I do anything about reporting it to someone?
Posted by Joreth (184.108.40.206) on February 17, 2004 at 19:25:55:
This is legit. I have had several photographs published by these people. You only receive royalties if someone goes to their website and purchases an item with your picture printed on it, like a coffee mug. But your photo IS printed in the coffee table book (if you give permission, of course) whether you buy it or not. This nomination is also legit and the conference is real ... you just have to pay a fortune to go.
Posted by Joreth (220.127.116.11) on February 17, 2004 at 19:27:28:
As for the money, it took me several months to get my book (I only spent the money on the first book - I don't care how cool it is to be published, I just can't afford those books). If you are really that concerned, continue to go to www.picture.com and keep contacting them until they answer you.
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