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Posted by ACE Index Webmaster (220.127.116.11) on February 17, 2004 at 16:39:25:
In Reply to: International Library of Photography thread posted by ACE Index Webmaster on February 17, 2004 at 15:53:02:
Here are the messages in chronological order. Please read the previous message for published addresses and background information on the International Library of Photography, ephotograph.com, poetry.com and an explanation of vanity presses and subsidy publishers.
Posted by trish on June 08, 2003 at 06:46:10:
I entered one of the international library of photography contests, I was put in one of their books, paid $62.00 and had no problem in receiving the book. Some of the shots in the collection, that was another story. One shot clearly had printed on it "Olan Mills "
Posted by mikeb on June 08, 2003 at 18:45:39:
I don't think you understand what you did, this is not a "contest" it's referred to as "Vanity Publishing". People will pay just to see their work in a book! As long as you sent the money they would print your passport picture, no problem, just send money! Regards Mikeb
Posted by Mark Carson on October 31, 2003 at 07:50:18:
PICTURES.COM OR International Library of Photography Photo
Contest IS NOTHING BUT A SCAM!!!!!!!!!!
I got a letter from ILP stating that a picture I submitted in for sports was going to be in the Semi-Finals & I would know by October 15, 2003. The letter also says you can order up to 2 books with your picture in it.
DO NOT DEAL WITH THIS COMPANY.
I paid for 2 book because I was going to use them as presents. To this day, I have not gotten any other letters, no books, & the check cleared the bank. You cannot get a hold of this company & the company is not listed. In short, it is a SCAM. They screwed other people who have listed the same problems, so don't get burned.
Also, to protect other people from this SCAM & BEING BURNED this is being reported to the FTC (Federal Trade Commision) for help also.
Other people have been screwed over by this company too, including myself, DON'T DEAL WTIH THIS COMPANY AT ALL. HOPEFULLY, they will be out of business or worse.
Posted by Theresa on November 10, 2003 at 18:12:17:
This "company" is, I agree, a total screw-up. They are listed in good standing with their local BBB out of Maryland. Tells you how good the BBB is. No records of any ISBN's can I find, they do not answer phones, email email@example.com is non-existent. I have proof researching with other photographers that your photo only appears in the copy that you order, so all the millions of people they claim will view your photo is B.S. The only way millions will see it is if you buy a million copies and show your friends.
There is a clause in the book which states that rights remain with photographer. Another paragraph then states that photo cannot be reproduced in any manner without permission of the 'publisher'. This should read,'without permission of the copyright holder'. I won second place in 1999 and was told there was no money involved in 2nd place, only a spot on the website. That, of course, everyone already has.
These scam 'artists' need to be placed in jail, not have the BBB tell us that we have been taken in by fraud and let it go at that. Criminals are criminals. People need to get together as a whole and file a lawsuit as I intend to do.
Posted by Sherry Broadwell (18.104.22.168) on November 17, 2003 at 18:57:33:
Thanks for the heads up. I, too, wondered when the "good news" of acceptance was followed by a solicitation for purchase of a book where my photo was to be published. My suspicion mounted when the second solicitation came for a costly framed version. What a rip off!
Posted by B Scott (22.214.171.124) on November 18, 2003 at 14:14:06:
I just got my letter today.. Im SO glad I found this info before I made a big mistake.. It would be great to see my photo in a book, But lets face it im no pro. so it was to my surprise that my entry was asked to be placed in a book. For $70US per copy. WTF! the email address I used was firstname.lastname@example.org and it came back to me.. not very professional for a legit company. STAY AWAY!!!!!
Posted by David Clacy (126.96.36.199) on November 24, 2003 at 06:51:00:
Well I was almost a mug too. Never mind eh! The old saying about flattery getting you everywhere almsot lost me some cash too...thanks every one.
Posted by Check this out (188.8.131.52) on November 30, 2003 at 22:17:56:
Posted by Philip paterson (184.108.40.206) on December 01, 2003 at 04:33:34:
I was very angry to read that this international photographic competition is a scam! I was a runner up in the competition and recieved a Bronze medal and a registration form application. It was only when i went to try to register that i found the whole thing to be a little suspicious. How can these people continue to get away with conning people out of their money.
I would like to know if there is anything that i can do to stop these people in their tracks before someone else gets taken in?
Look forward to hearing from anyone soon. Regards, Philip Paterson
Posted by DiAnna Bennett (220.127.116.11) on December 02, 2003 at 20:14:40:
I have three pictures in there so called library, I ordered two books as well and one picture was not in the book so I returned one and they claim they never received it and I had to prove I sent it back, needless to say I'm out $70.00. I have been writting them for over a year, thought I was the only fool. I tell everyone I know about this company and there dealings, sorry to hear there are others taken by them. http://www.baltimore.bbb.org/nis/newsearch2.asp?ID=1&ComID=0011000032010771
Posted by Tracy Miner (18.104.22.168) on December 07, 2003 at 13:05:11:
My son turned in a photograph and I received a letter stating that my photograph won an award and will be published in the Fall 2003 Wandering Spirits edition and that if I order I would received sometime in November 2003. It is now December 2003 and I have not yet received it. Was this a scam? And how can I get my payment of $69.95 back?
Posted by mikeb (22.214.171.124) on December 07, 2003 at 13:45:21:
It's a well know "marketing" tool every photo submitted gets an "award" you will recieve a book some time next year but the contents will be just any old Pics people pay to have put in there. The general term for it is "Vanity Publishing" people will pay to see their work in print but the "award" is bogus. Regards Mikeb
Posted by Michelle Marino (126.96.36.199) on December 11, 2003 at 13:22:10:
I have had nothing but a good exsperance with them I ordered a plaque of my publication it came with out a problem I am published in spirits of the night collection. I am sorry you did not get the books you ordered.
Posted by Cynthia Pinkstaff (188.8.131.52) on December 17, 2003 at 08:26:18:
I received a letter from The International Library of Photography about my photo and when I go to the web site I cannot pull my photo up except on the first page. After reading these other comments I think I let my vanity get out of hand. First time like this for me to get really noticed for something I have done and I bought two books which cost me $160.00. Come June 30, 2004 we will see what is sent and if they are true about getting this in a book store otherwise I think "legal counsel" will come to mind.
Posted by Joannie (184.108.40.206) on December 21, 2003 at 17:25:41:
I entered a photo last year, to be published Spring 2003. I did not order the book or so-called award certificate. I figured that if the book would actually be published, I would be able to get one, and preview it first, through either Amazon or Barnes & Noble. The name of it was to be "Windmills of Wonder". I have been unable to find it through any other source, except "The International Library of Photography. Now, when I go to www.picture.com & search on my name, my photo is there and it is now to be available in a different book, to be published 1/31/03--Possible typo on their website, however, they actually list an ISBN # 0-7951-5202-7. When I search Barnes & Noble and Amazon on this, I am unable to find it, but plan to try again early February 2004. I felt this could be a scam from the start, yet my photo meant a lot to me. From a trip I took to France in 2001. You, too, oh reader of this message, may want to continue to check this ISBN number and see what you may find. I would also suggest that you continue to search their website for your name. We all need luck, I think, in these instances. Only fortunately for me, I am not out any money. I share the interest in photography as art--and how we choose to express ourselves--is art!
Posted by Victoria J. DiFranco (220.127.116.11) on December 25, 2003 at 16:22:16:
Hi, In July I paid you for a book called the Best Photos of 2003. ISBN-0-7951-5242-6: One of my pictures is in your book. As of this date 12/25/03 I have not received my book. Would you please advise. Thank you. Victoria
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Posted by Sharon (18.104.22.168) on December 28, 2003 at 15:59:18:
I also submitted a photo and I have received my copy of the book Images of the Mind.
Posted by Holly (22.214.171.124) on December 29, 2003 at 09:53:37:
I also paid last year for a copy of "Forever in a Moment" to be published in Summer 2003 , then moved to October 2003. Now my photo has been moved to another book due out in January 2004.
After numerous attempts to contact ILP thru phone calls (I'm now sure that nobody works there!), email (all are returned as undeliverable ). I have filed a formal complaint against them with the Better Business Bureau in Maryland.
Anyone thinking about doing business with them is in for alot of waiting, and expense if you plan on calling them.
Posted by wayne j (126.96.36.199) on December 31, 2003 at 10:09:56:
Well, here's from another sucker who was taken in by ILP. I submitted my photo in fall of 2001 and of course I won and was to be published. I submitted a check for $102 which was to pay for a copy of a book, copyrighting, and I don't know what else. Shortly after, my wife had a heart attack and since has had open heart surgery with complications which has kept her in and out of the hospital almost continuously. I tell this to explain why I have never followed up on why I have received nothing from this company, and from the messages I have read here, probably never will. It is unfortunate that people can somehow get away with such actions. I solicit anyone who has taken action against this company and has had any success to post there story so we who have been taken in may learn.
Posted by Rose (188.8.131.52) on January 04, 2004 at 11:08:53:
I am surprised that anyone received anything from this company. I agree, something is very suspicious. Please file your complaints with any proof/evidence you have with the Attorney General's Office Consumer Protection Division in Baltimore, Maryland: Phone#410-528-8662; Fax#410-576-7040; Address-Consumer Protection Division, 200 Saint Paul Place, 16th Floor, Baltimore, MD 21202. I know they checked into this company as I did, but I think they need more of a push to do something with them so they are more responsive to their "customers." I, too, submitted a photo & was told the same things;still waiting to see if the book comes out-but didn't send them anything-just a letter back & their form. Here is another phone number for them: 410-356-2001 which answers as "Watermark Press." I am keeping close watch on this situation & if it doesn't show any improvement or no one takes further action, then I will be doing so. There are so many people who are cheated & scammed, & it has to stop somewhere. I understand the feelings of those who have received responses from this company, but unfortunately the experience of the majority outweighs that of the few. I hope I helped somewhat so you can perhaps change things for the better. I hope the company does come through on their promises, but from reading all of these follow-ups, it doesn't look like it. Good luck to all!
Posted by Eric A. Archer (184.108.40.206) on January 07, 2004 at 03:26:20:
Victoria, I too paid for a book. It was over a year ago and I still don't have it. I am attempting to locate the business to injuire about the book. If I hear anything, I will post it here. Eric
Posted by B. Harnish (220.127.116.11) on January 07, 2004 at 11:29:56:
I had placed an order in mid Dec 03 and not only haven't received the book but after 15min of being on hold....hung up, after all it wasn't a toll free number either.
Posted by B. Harnish (18.104.22.168) on January 07, 2004 at 11:35:13:
They answered just as I was hanging up. The story is that the
book has sold out so somehow the photos which you thought would
be in the sold out one will be transferred to the Spirits book
which is reportedly due out in Spring of 04.
I immediately cancelled the order. HEADS UP TO ALL CONCERNED
Posted by carol l. fisher (22.214.171.124) on January 07, 2004 at 11:48:48:
Hi! I was pondering sending in a great shot I recently took on a short holiday, and my wisdom told me to check out this company. Yesterday, I ran across a site I think called complaint.com, where someone put in writing on that web that they had reported this company to the FBI and Department of Commerce last year in March?? If this is a postal service issue, then report them to the US Postal Inspector in your area or directly to D.C. they love this stuff!! Also, report it to the Attorney General in their state of business, Maryland, that is if we're talking about the same business, which I understand also, there are others named International Library of Photography?? go figure! I'm certainly not sending in any anything and then making a payment to confirm that I won anything with anyone, that is definitely a scam dear. I would not hire an attorney, for $100 some dollars, but I would let the real authorities know what they are doing and stick it to them good. Good Luck.
Posted by Tracy (126.96.36.199) on January 08, 2004 at 05:49:54:
I have the same problem ...except get this ... my photograph has "changed books" 3 times now, even though I signed all the paperwork to have it published and everything. I didnt buy a book, cause I figured maybe its a scam ... but I did look up the book, and it dosent seem to exist. If you get anywhere, let me know.
Posted by Madelon Wilson (188.8.131.52) on January 08, 2004 at 19:45:45:
ditto for me... but I keep using the "award" as bragging rights. I did get a letter and a bronze medal for my efforts. I'm glad I didn't buy the book!
Posted by Madelon Wilson (184.108.40.206) on January 08, 2004 at 19:50:16:
Is there anything that can be done about picture.com?
Posted by Wilhelmina (220.127.116.11) on January 10, 2004 at 13:51:01:
Hello, I too have sent a picture that won and according to the letter I recieved, I "was picked out of 3,000 other entries and 200 other pictures are published in the Wandering Spirit Book being published". Yes I am awaiting to see if it is a scam or not. I did not buy the book, yet. Thank you for this site. I will keep in touch on what has happened.
My picture is in the following link http://www.picture.com/display.asp?ID=1221935
Posted by wilhelmina (18.104.22.168) on January 10, 2004 at 14:10:30:
Hey people, Check this out. I found some people got their book with pictures in it and some did not. This is another forum site talking about the site of International...and their pictures in it.
Posted by Amy Johnson (22.214.171.124) on January 10, 2004 at 22:56:53:
>> My son turned in a photograph and I received a letter stating that my photograph won an award and will be published in the Fall 2003 Wandering Spirits edition and that if I order I would received sometime in November 2003. It is now December 2003 and I have not yet received it. Was this a scam? And how can I get my payment of $69.95 back?
Believe it or not, there really is a book floating around somewhere out there for you. I sent in a pic. back in 99' and it took forever to get the book (probably about 6 months after the release date). They kept changing the date so I finally quit looking for it in the mail. I was VERY sorry that I paid for it once I got it though. Apparently ANY picture that a person takes ends up in one of these books. I guess that a dog drinking out of a toilet is supposedly art to some people but I know that I was VERY disapointed with the book in general. Good luck getting your money back, I hope it works out well for you.
Posted by Tania (126.96.36.199) on January 12, 2004 at 03:05:34:
Hello - I'm from Australia and today 12 January 2004 I ceived letter dated 25 November 2003 and documents from Picture.Com. It all sounds wonderful, but as I am suspicious, I thought it would be a good idea to check the Internet to see if it was real. Thank you so much for your input, I won't be sending a money order to Picture.Com. It's a shame that some of you have been 'messed' around with like this. Please don't let this negative thing stop any of you from your wonderful artwork. Thanks, from Tania from Downunder!
Posted by lynda sue norman/ an (188.8.131.52) on January 12, 2004 at 14:28:25:
i sent you a check for 2 books in which a picture was published of our from russia. I have never recieved the books and you have cashed my check for 135.90.. I am getting ready to go to the bank to fight this... please email or call 5042967806 if you can help me with recieving the book or getting my money back.. 110303 was when the check was cashed.... lynda norman and andrew sharpeta
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Posted by IVAN BAROS SR (184.108.40.206) on January 13, 2004 at 16:21:26:
i submitted picture of all five of my children just to have there pictures published in an actual book (vanity/love)....but i could not submit all of them as they only accept one per book per person.
i wanted them all in the same book so i just changed my name a litte (ie...first name last, used middle name first etc...)
anyway to make a long story short i did get 1 child in one book and I did recieve it as indicated but the other 4 children are in another book and are being moved around so I can't catch them all in the same book, someone is manipulating the pictures but again I too have tried to contact them but always returned unanswered!
I to will contact the BBB in my state!
Posted by Doreen Jueneman (220.127.116.11) on January 19, 2004 at 10:50:50:
I had a photo that "won" it's way into a book in 1999. I didn't purchase the book because of the price. For years I have been searching for the book, and I finally found it on line. I bought it and excitedly looked for my picture. A BIG disappointment. The picture never made it into the book.
Posted by Alice Chrobak (18.104.22.168) on January 20, 2004 at 09:01:37:
Hi, I also have sent pictures in four and received a letter last year saying I was choosen for the book "The Best Photos of 2003." I have been to a local book store and they did find one of the books from TILOP. They did find one out of the list I had. They said I could order it but they couldn't garrenty if they would get it in. I to wanted to see the book before I bought it. I am now searching for "A Journey into the Imagination" I have two pictures in this book. What a scam they have going! I have spent the money on two of the plaque. My husband thinks I 'm crazy to spend the money for it. But I feel as you the pictures mean a lot to be and I am proud of my photos. I have to say the second one I did buy was for the Best of 2003. It was much nicer and $20.00 cheaper. Mmmmmmmmm!!
Good luck with finding your books. I also have a picture in Windmills of Wonder. It is under nature and itis a Momma duck and three babies right after birth. Title, A Birth of Nature. Alice Chrobak, NJ
Posted by Tiffany (22.214.171.124) on January 20, 2004 at 15:08:15:
I received a letter in the mail that I was a photo winner and wondered if this was for real...Thanks to a quick google search, I can see that it's not a good idea to order....And to think I thought my picture of my dogs was special! Guess I'm just a proud mama that was almost scammed! Thanks for all the posts - it changed my mind! Tiffany Thornhill
Posted by Jan (126.96.36.199) on January 20, 2004 at 20:44:31:
I got the letter, guess it can't hurt to send it in, however does that give them license to use my photo down the road? It says copyright by Jan and my last name.
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